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World War II


Because of all 70/75th anniversaries, WWII has lately been a common topic and being such wide subject, I'm making a thread for it.


I've been watching a Danish documentary series about WWII Scandinavia and it's interesting how all Nordic countries were in very different situations during the war.

By now you may have learned from me that Finland essentially fought against Soviet Union all of WWII, except turning of Germany with peace treaty with SU in late 1944. Though there's great difference between 1939-40 when we fought totally alone and 1941-44 when Finland was de facto German ally.

Denmark saw little actual fighting. In april 1940 German forces entered Denmark. After only minimal exchange of fire and couple hours, Danish government announced surrender to avoid devastation. From there on they balanced five years between executing German demands and trying to have some control of their own country.

1940 Iceland was self-governed part of Denmark. With Denmark surrendering to Germany, Allies demanded Iceland to join them and after Iceland choosing to remain neutral (which would've been arguable with head of state, king of Denmark, collaborating with Germany) UK invaded and occupied Iceland, later handing it over to US.
On June 1944 Iceland declared independence from Denmark (at the time still occupied by Germany).

For Norway the war happened much in same style as France. Short and unsuccessful defence lead to German occupation, with new government installed by Germany (or rather the local nazi Quisling taking power by himself in the confusion). But king and cabinet were - just barely, after quite an adventure - able to escape to UK, holding there government in exile through the war. There was also resistance action similar to France, with aid of Allies and Sweden.

Sweden remained officially neutral and outside the war, never declaring war on or being declared by anyone. However, being surrounded by German-occupied countries and a German ally meant they had little choice but to collaborate with Germany, providing iron and other things. But at the same time Sweden was a refuge for Danish and Norwegian jews, leftists and resistance fighters and large number of Finnish children were sent to Sweden for the wars.

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And now we ("we" here being rest of Europe) are arguing with Russia about how WWII started...

and Poland point to Soviet culpability for World War II
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Ukraine and Poland's parliaments have approved a resolution, considering moves by both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany as the reason for the start of World War II.

The resolution, called the Declaration of Remembrance and Solidarity, states that the non-aggression pact between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany was what led to the two militaries invading Poland and then the Baltics.

"We point to the fact that the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, signed August 23, 1939, struck between the two totalitarian regimes—the Communist Soviet Union and Nazi Germany—led to the ignition of World War II, prompted by German aggression, which the Soviet Union adopted on 17 September," the document reads.

Response is obvious:
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The declaration has caused a stir in Moscow, where the the Soviet Union's early deal with the Nazis is still seldom mentioned, though the ultimate Soviet triumph over Nazi Germany is a sense of great national pride.

Russia's Modern History Museum called the declaration a "blatant, blasphemous campaign, which aims to rebrand memory of history."



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Reminder of how it all went.
This is a little polite for us, I do think Finland should be marked among Axis powers 1941-44.



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Mo has just given us the World at War series to watch again - looking forward to reminding ourselves of the way things happened and the events ..


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]10 Underappreciated Countries That Played Major Roles In WWII

Couple details about Finland:
- the whole text #3 is about Winter War 1939-40, excluding Continuation War 1941-44
- SU wanted number of other thing besides the islands, including move of borders which would've forced Finland to remove and replace some of our strongest defenses; I suspect this was aimed for tactical advantage when they would've started war anyway
- UK and France did make small offers of help, but they were so meaningless Finland instead refused them, hoping for better deal with Germany (which didn't happen 1939 because of secret SU-Germany treaty, but became reality 1941)
- certain (significant) amount of Soviet casualties was caused by the extremely severe winter


But really the big point here is #1.
Russians don't boast WWII for nothing. In land warfare, the war in Europe was first and foremost between Germany and Soviet Union.

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