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Prisons are over-crowded and every year in July, our President grants amnesty to a whole bunch of prisoners and releases them so that they can go out and commit the same crimes all over again. It's like recycling lowlife because they don't know what else to do with them all.
When I was young, we often used to see prisoners working - under guard. They would work on the roads (and boy, could we use them again now with all the potholes around) - and be put to work in various other areas requiring physical labour. Like chain gangs, I suppose. They earned a very small wage for this but at least it was doing something useful rather than sitting around all day, which achieves nothing other than more violence inside prisons through boredom.
I've never been inside any of our prisons thank goodness but I can't begin to imagine how dreadful they are and what a state they must be in. A visit to Robben Island was the closest I've been, and that was bad enough. One would think that even the thought of being incarcerated in a filthy smelly disgusting cell either alone, in pairs, or probably with dozens of others, would be a deterrent, but no ...
I agree that they should be given work to do, and also that those intelligent enough should be taught new skills and trained to do something useful which would inspire some pride - and that they should have the opportunity to study, to learn, and to better themselves generally.
I don't believe in the death penalty but I do object to my taxes being used for keeping violent criminals with no hope of rehabilitation in relative comfort for years and years - although the prisons aren't exactly five star hotels I'm sure, they do get three square meals a day (however bad) and are allowed lots of perks which we pay for.
If any low life were to hurt any of my family though I think I'd be the first one to want the death penalty brought back. It might not achieve anything but my own satisfaction. And that would be good enough for me!


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Yes, I agree with what you're saying.

Even though prisons aren't any sort of "good" environment to live in, for a lot of people, particularly with the conditions for the unemployed in our country, living in prison is a good alternative. So they commit crime to be there. I visited a police station over the weekend with one of my kids. The police working there pointed someone out to me that they said steals something every time he's let out so that he can come back there. They let him clean their cars, and he lives in the cell. That's a lot better than living in a shack on a hillside with nothing to eat.
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Yep - they get arrested intentionally for some petty crime so that they can at least spend a couple of nights in a sheltered environment, especially in the winter. And then after a couple of days they are released on bail, and they go off and do exactly the same thing to get back inside again. It's actually sad, and doesn't say much at all for our justice system .... too many cases, not enough competent staff, and costing the taxpayer a fortune.
Housing should be provided, as promised by the government almost twenty years ago, at a reasonable subsidised cost rather than wasting money on changing the names of towns and streets and buildings and building a fortress for the head honcho. A different topic I know, but there is far too much nepotism and corruption and graft in this country.

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Whenever it's better for people to be in prison than out, the problem isn't in prison system, it's in other government.
Except with those who've spend most of their life in prison and are then let out with no chance of making it outside.

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Yes! As I said, the government is to blame. Big time.

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Mo, my intention is not to rant. It's to show the injustice of a justice system. Investment bankers betting against their clients is a civil crime, yet not one was prosecuted. At the very least they should be forced to give back the money they stole so the victims get their house and pension returned. The justice system is designed to punish the poor for the petty crime of survival while rewarding the rich for their greed.

When a poor black man kills someone in self-defense, he goes to prison for 25 years to life.
When a rich white CEO kills a 100 peasants to build a factory on their land, he is rewarded with this free land and given tax breaks on his new factory.

You cannot remove the politics from crime and punishment.
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Who killed 100 peasants?

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Petal, the U.N. has countless sanctions on the U.S. and other western nations that allow corporations to go in and steal the land the indigenous people have been farming on for many generations. In the process hundreds or even thousands are killed trying to defend their farms. The CEO hires an army of mercenaries to do his killing for him with the majority of them being ex CIA operatives. The result is a new factory surrounded by a shantytown of cheap labor and a hatred of the U.S.

Do a search on U.N. sanctions and shantytowns to see what the corporatist and their armies are getting away with.
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Show us some links echt please.
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Yes, I'd like to see those too.

Lat night we watched a programme about John Venables and Robert Thompson, who, when they were only ten years old, kidnapped, possibly sexually assaulted, and brutally murdered a little two-year old. Because they were so young they were sent to a juvenile offenders' institution where they had better lives than a lot of kids "on the outside" ... full education of course, which I agree is important, but lots and lots of treats. They had TV, games, a pool table, lots of sport, were allowed to choose their favourite footy team memorabilia to decorate their rooms including special duvet covers etc, excellent food, and all creature comforts imaginable for kids. (And adults too, come to think of it). Evidently they even had sex with some of the delinquent girls while there, and the authorities were aware of this.

After six years the European court decided that they were sufficiently rehabilitated to be released. They were given new names and new identities and Venables in particular, violated his parole conditions on several occasions but nothing was done about it and he was allowed to roam free, socializing at will in his old home town. The parents of the murdered child were rightfully disgusted but their complaints and appeals for better justice were ignored. And nine years later Venables was finally arrested again for child pornography.

My question is - does rehabilitation work? Maybe in some cases, but ? How many others could have been abused while he was free to do as he pleased I wonder ... and do you think that giving these two new identities was a good thing, or not?

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