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Morwen Oronor
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The rioting in Tunisia
I see that someone has been sworn in to take over the vacant position of leader in Tunisia after the president was forced to leave the country causing violent riots and looting.
Britons flee Tunisia after rioting
Is Africa and are Africans the problem that causes so much violence in Africa, or is there a more deep-rooted reason for the fact that Africans seem to resort to angry move behaviour whenever there's a disagreement, what do you think?
(As an aside let's all participate in this, disregard the one-on-one debate rule for now, no one is interested, or has the time to do propert research for single debate, so just talk about it, if you have some interesting data or history to share, that will help. This is quite an interesting African phenomenon, so let's talk about it.) 
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Jan/16/2011, 4:24
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Re: The rioting in Tunisia
I shall reply to this in due time, I'm a bit too busy over the coming week, but I'll respond eventually I promise.
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Jan/16/2011, 13:18
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Thanks Leo.
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Jan/16/2011, 15:09
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We'll have watch for weks and months to see how this'll turn out. If they can set things up and have elections relatively get over with this during this year, I'd call it a nice and pretty revolution.
I mean, was it much better in eastern Europe twenty years ago? Russians shot their freaking parliament building with cannons!
As for rioting more generally, we've seen some all around the world; of course just more the things are and, well, much problems in Africa.
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Jan/18/2011, 21:49
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Bombarding the parliament buildings in Russia I can understand, that was 70 years of abuse they were fighting. In Africa, while the settlers did exploit the locals, and do some pretty horrible things, they usually left behind an infrastructure that the locals could just build on, so why destroy it, I don't understand that thinking. It's a little like your abusive, and wealthly father dying, and leaving you a chateau and a lot of money invested, and then you as the heir, withdrawing all the money, putting it into the chateau and burning the whole lot down, then living on top of the ruins in abject poverty.
In Tunisia however, the people there have always lived there. It's not as if some French people moved in 1,000 years ago and treated the locals like slaves. The locals were there in Roman times, they chose to adopt Islam and they chose the people who lead them, why not simply do what other long-civilised societies do and vote them out at the next election?
I'm a little nervous about what will happen here at some stage if our government doesn't start delivering what they've promised. At some stage some idiot is going to come up with the idea that the way to get houses, is to burn down the ones that already exist. They do this. In one Cape Town township, the municipality put in toilets connected to the sewer system where people had tin shacks on top of holes in the ground (long-drop). They took some time getting around to finishing off the job, so the toilets were there but without privacy. So the people started demanding that they finish the job so they could use them, fair enough. When the municipality sent tin enclosures so that the job could be done quickly, instead of discussing that they would be happy with that while the process of proper brick ones went on, they smashed the toilets. So now they're back to the tin shacks with the holes in the ground and piles of tax money having been wasted.
I know the solution is to build proper housing estates with indoor bathrooms. But it's impossible, because the moment that they start building houses, the homeless ones arrive with every kind of building material they can find and they build shacks around the work. If anyone tries to stop them, they scream "discrimination" the outside media jumps in to cover it and then the drama happens, so they leave them alone to build their shacks and the foreign media says "look at the conditions that people are expected to live in" and of course there are no toilets. You can't bloody win. No matter how many informal settlements they clean up and how many houses they build they simply aren't enough.
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Jan/19/2011, 6:56
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Bombarding the parliament buildings in Russia I can understand, that was 70 years of abuse they were fighting.
No it wasn't, that was (unsuccessful) attempt to take over with part of army.
Getting restless in Albania too now.
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Jan/23/2011, 1:57
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Sorry Kaunisto, I'm not terribly familiar with eastern European politics so I would have to do some reading on this to comment further. Russia particularly, I've always found it to be a little heavy-going and humourless, so I've never bothered to learn much about it except for the relationship with the European royals, and of course the Revolution but not the modern history.
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Jan/23/2011, 7:55
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It would be easy to say that the Tunisians should have voted Bin-Ali out at the next election, but would that be possible with allegations of vote rigging in the past? He has been leader of Tunisia for at least 23 years. There were many political prisoners put under house arrest or sent into exile like Rashid Al-Ghannushi, no true democracy would do that.
The protestors are wanting a real democracy just like the Filipinos who ousted Ferdinand Marcos, just like the Romanians who usurped Nicolae Ceausescu, just like the Iranians who protested in the streets of Tehran in 2009. I will always support those who want a true democracy, so for that reason I'm on the side of the protestors. Once the old regime collapses once and for all I hope they get the democracy they crave and the West should do all they can to ensure they do.
I wouldn't say this is an African thing, if anything it's more of an Islamic issue given the geography of the nations that are involved. However I would say it's more down to people wanting democracy, when people desire something that badly they'll do anything to get it, revolutions are rarely peaceful. In fact protests are rarely peaceful, many of the suffragettes in Britain were violent when trying to get the vote, I wonder if they would have been less successful if they weren't.
I see protests are erupting in Algeria, Egypt and Yemen right now. I bet Gaddafi of Libya is getting worried and going by the comments he's made over the past week I would say that he is.
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Jan/23/2011, 14:49
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I hear what you say Leo, and maybe revolutions are violent, but they don't have to be. If people want to make a fuss, then they should make a fuss agains the people causing the trouble, not raid and ransack the stores, murder innocent bystanders and so on.
I understand all the reasons for the revolt. I just wish they wouldn't be so violent with their fellow countrymen.
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Jan/23/2011, 16:37
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I would say that the protestors have been fairly decent given the circumstances, you'll always get the minority that commit crimes for the sake of it. These aren't radical Muslims in terms of their religious beliefs.
On Euronews I saw a report when the former leader's house was being looted by the revolutionaries. The wealth was unbelievable, one woman was looking at a porcelain chandelier that had been smashed up and said that most Tunisians found it hard to buy a milk carton while he lived in such luxury.
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Jan/23/2011, 20:51
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