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Sokol, all that does is dilute the vote. It doesn't really benefit anyone. Even if you have a strong, middle-of-the-road kind of party, say one that isn't either Democrat or Republican but is somewhere in between the two, all you'll do is weaken the other two parties' support base and create a party of fence-sitters who can't make up their minds about anything.

If you go to the right or left of the other two, for example the British National Party type of right-wing, the Tea Party, you will have all the horrors of closed-minded thinking running the country should they win, and you really don't want to go down that road.

If you go to the left of the Democrats with a Liberal Party, you will end up with Communism, which doesn't work, as has been shown in the old USSR.

The US works simply because there are only two options, one conservative and one logical. They balance each other out and they challenge each other at every election. Nothing will ever change in reality because politics doesn't have as much power as people like to think it does.

The only time that political change, real political change will come, would be if the whole constitution, (note not Constitution) of the country changes. Also remember that America was formed with the values of the 18th century, some of which no longer apply, some of those values could do with changing, but other than that, I still think that the rest of the world could do a lot worse than follow the US's example.

And no, I don't think Obama is personally responsible for any of the "!@#$ up" of America as you so succinctly put it, I think it's more to do with too much conservatism on the part of the people in positions where real change could be implemented, and too much placating of the people who could cause the country to go Republican in the next election. If you want to see some real "!@#$ up" then allow that to happen. Let Sarah Palin become president in 2012, and then start looking at somewhere else to live. If you guys thought Bush's policies were bad, you ain't seen nothing yet!!
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God No. Sara Palin needs to go dig herself a hole and stay there. She is the last person we need running this country. Bush got us into this mess, and Obama dug us in deeper spending way to much money in the so called stimulus, which didn't stimulate anything. It was just an excuse for him & the democrat party to spend more money. What we need is a clean slate. Get rid of all the scum on both sides of the isle, Democrat & Republican. I know the 3rd party candidate would cipher the vote. Honestly I wish people would reject both major parties and vote 3rd party cause the Dem's & Rep's suck major butt. That won't happen though. What I really want is a third party "type" candidate that is willing to stand up and do what is right for the country, and not just for "the party".

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There is no such animal Sokol.

As long as you have party politics and people being chosen by the party to be offered to the voters as a candidate and the voters having little or no say in the choice of the people they're offered to vote for, you will always have the mess you have now.

I'm involved in an argument on another forum with people who believe that democracy actually means that the individual is able to affect the way their government is run. That is nonsense. The party officials have the say in how the country is run. If you actually want a say, you have to join the party as a member, pay dues to the party, go to meetings of the party of which you are now a member, lobby for people to support your candidacy for public office and get them to allow you to stand as a candidate for something, and only then can you have some sort of effect on some small issue. But even then as an individual you have no say unless you can get the rest of the party members to agree with you.

You will only ever have true democracy when individuals get to nominate the people they want as candidates for election, and not the party.
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Watching a local news channel this morning they were talking about what the new matriculants and school leavers want to do with their lives and how to advise them on what career path to follow. Most of them want to become politicians these days - ha!ha! Reasons given were because it's high profile, and because it's an easy way to earn lots of money very quickly by doing very little, and because you get lots of perks that the tax payer funds, and and and. Wonderful example our leaders have set huh?

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Yes, I know what you mean. I'm becoming more and more of a royalist these days. The more I read about how stupid these elected officials manage things, the more inclined I am to appoint someone who is really intelligent to run the country and then to allow him/her to choose another super-intelligent person to follow him, The way governments are run with supposed 'democracy' has jaded me a little.

I'm beginning to think that most people like being told what to do, so they should just get on with doing what they need to do to stay alive and allow the people who know what the hell they're doing to run things. Imagine what the next two years in American politics is going to be like. Circus is not the word.
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And ours will be just as bad! Not to mention the UK too ...

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We're having some elections this year as well, I'm almost sure about that.

All we seem to do is vote for people who never do anything that they promise they will do.

I see that government has decided we're going to go on to the European digital television standard, which of course is going to cost the department of communications a helluva lot of money. So why not redirect that money into housing and leave the bloody television alone for another year or two? But no, the people will all die if they don't have the latest digital broadcast TV.
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They really need to get their priorities in order. They've had the government that they wanted for the last sixteen years - nearly seventeen now, and things have gone from bad to worse in most areas when you look at health care and hospitals, the judiciary, education, housing, electricity and water (now the latter is going to be a major major issue very soon) and all the rest of it. BEE isn't working and neither is AA - there are still far too many people unemployed and still too few supporting too many who largely don't give a toss. Efficiency is down the drain, people want jobs not work, and those who are employed are largely illiterate and useless.

Television should be the last thing on their minds. How many of the indigent in informal housing settlements have electricity, never mind being able to own a TV set!!

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Haha! Petal most of them. TV is a huge priority in the informal settlements you should see the ones here that have tv antennae on their roofs and I've even seen one or two satellite dishes.

Anyway. I'm in too good a mood to complain about politicians these days.
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well, we have seent he results of last year's elections now...

a full on assault on the middle class and the lower class while enshrining moer and more priviledges and subsidies for the WEALTHY. the some family that funded the John Birch Society now funds the 'tea party'... withthe same agenda ...more power to the rich .. no unions.. no help for the poor and no minimum wage

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